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Text
chat transcripts - April 26, 2000
On April 26, 2000, a landmark event
took place wherein members of the listservs TESLCA-L, Neteach-l, webteachfl,
and tfw were all invited to participate in a practice chat taking place in the
following venues:
·
A text chat
site at: http://www.homestead.com/vstevens/
·
A voice chat
site at: http://www.chariot.net.au/~michaelc/hearme.htm
Further instructions for accessing
these sites can be found at http://members.tripod.com/vstevens/efi/software.htm
(or its mirror: http://www.homestead.com/vstevens/files/efi/software.htm)
The following are transcripts from
the text chat and, further down the page, the text chat
transcripts from the voice chat client.
The text chat is not a very good
client as chat clients go, but its main advantage is that it is easily created
and accessed. (It was created by opening an account at http://www.homestead.com and in the web
page builder simply dragging a chat icon from the choices available onto the
page a-building; the guest book was created in the same way). As far as access is concerned, visitors can
join the chat simply by browsing to the url, so that no application software or
registration is necessary other than a browser.
There are two caveats to what you
read below. First, keep in mind that
the chat is interleaved with what was going on in the voice chat, and so the
threads are, well, threadbare. Secondly,
I grabbed a copy of the chat buffer at the beginning of the chat, when Geoff
left it to join the voice chat, and again only at the end of the evening, an
hour later. By then, the buffer had
overflowed so that I was left with only the first and last parts of the chat.
So, with that in mind, read on … (or
visit the voice-chat text transcripts)
Members of room: vance at MLI
Anonymous8425 has joined the chat
room.
<vance at MLI> hello
<Anonymous8425> Hi Vance, this
is Geoff Jordan
<vance at MLI> hey Geoff, nice
to see you. Long time.
<vance at MLI> Type a name and
click on change
<Anonymous8425> Yes indeed -
I'm trying to catch up with all this good stuff you're doing
<vance at MLI> This is the
way.
<Anonymous8425> Looks god. Has
the session started yet?
Anonymous8425 is now known as Geoff.
<vance at MLI> You'e the first
to arrive
<Geoff> Does one normally sign
in??
<vance at MLI> Not at this
one. It's just a homestead drag and drop
<Geoff> OK
<vance at MLI> sounds like you
have a great conf. coming up
<vance at MLI> I will try to
make it.
<Geoff> Yes, I'm starting to
get nervous about it!
<vance at MLI> You've got
plenty of support, can't lose
<Geoff> I hope you can make it
- let me know if you need any help
<vance at MLI> Would you like
to try the voice chat before it gets busy?
<Geoff> Sure
<vance at MLI> http://www.chariot.net.au/~michaelc/hearme.htm
<vance at MLI> Best thing it
to open a second browser window
<vance at MLI> is to ...
<vance at MLI> which browser
are you using
<Geoff> explorer
Geoff has left the chat room.
The foregoing was recorded at
13:00 GMT, the scheduled start of the chat - I didn’t check the Homestead chat
buffer again till the end of the session.
At that time, this was all there was in it.
As we pick up the discussion, Hanim
has just said something to suggest to Vance at MLI that she is listening to the
voice chat while typing to Vance in Homestead.
So Vance is telling her how to open the text chat in the voice chat
client so that she can join the conversation taking place on that client. Behavior of this nature is common in chats,
where slightly more experienced users assist newcomers in using the clients.
Anonymous1527 has joined the chat
room.
Anonymous1527 has left the chat
room.
<hanim> How do I do that?
<vance at MLI> You click on
Text Chat
<vance at MLI> Hi 1527, you
can type in a name and click change
<vance at MLI> if you want
<hanim> I might be guest 623
but I can't speak...no mike
<vance at MLI> I'll tell them.
If you click on text chat, you can tell them yourself
<vance at MLI> Are you in the
voice chat text box yet?
Anonymous4778 has joined the chat
room.
Anonymous4778 is now known as
vanessa.
<vance at MLI> hi anon, type a
name and hit change if you like
<vanessa> I finally got
everything loaded & adjusted
<vanessa> so now I have
speech... am loaded for sound
vanessa has left the chat room.
Anonymous70 has joined the chat
room.
Anonymous70 is now known as vanessa.
<vance at MLI> great vanessa
Anonymous88 has joined the chat
room.
<vance at MLI> Have you found
the text chat in the voice chat client?
<vanessa> I had to use highest
settings and hold the mic... may need a new mic or mic + headset like I used to
wear at airlines res desk
<vanessa> & did find text
chat
Anonymous88 has left the chat room.
Anonymous88 has joined the chat
room.
<vanessa> one of my ss
(Russian) expressed serious reservations about plug-ins
<vance at MLI> I don't blame
them, but this seems pretty safe
<vanessa> & automatic
launch
<Anonymous88> Hi! Everyone.
Youre still here.
Anonymous88 has left the chat room.
Anonymous88 has joined the chat
room.
<vance at MLI> yep, still here
<vanessa> how does hearme
compare with talknation & firetalk?
<vanessa> or Windows'
NetMeeting?
<vance at MLI> Don't know
those two
<vance at MLI> http://www.hearme.com
<vanessa> one is the voice for
"old" eGroups voice chat & the other is the one on the EFI voice
chat (a real memory hog)
<vance at MLI> I'd like to know
more about those. Basically hearme is free, simple, and effective
vanessa has left the chat room.
Anonymous272 has joined the chat
room.
Anonymous272 has left the chat room.
Anonymous48 has joined the chat
room.
Anonymous48 is now known as vanessa.
Michael C has left the chat room.
Peter has left the chat room.
<vanessa> are these gaps an
inevitable side effect of being (or trying to be) in 5 "places" at
once?
Vanessa had apparently by then been
kept waiting a long time while I was in the Voice chat. Fortunately she signed the guest book in the
Homestead chat site and I was able to get back to her and apologize for keeping
her waiting.
Return to the beginning
of the text chat transcripts
The voice chat client (available
from http://www.hearme.com) provides both
voice and text chat options. Users
without microphones can therefore follow the conversation via their sound cards
and type their responses. It’s also useful for people in the voice chat to get
a word in edgewise, and to write info such as urls without having to dictate
them.
What you find below is a transcript
of what went on in the text window while people were speaking in the voice
chat. What transpired in the voice chat
has not been preserved. Therefore what
you see below again does not faithfully preserve the threads of the
conversation.
Vance at
MLI has
joined
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Vance in
lab has
joined
Vance at
MLI: testing
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Vance at
MLI: Geoff,
have you found the text chat?
Geoff has left
Geoff has joined
Vance at
MLI: http://www.homestead.com/vstevens/
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Geoff has joined
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Peter: right well there seems to
be a bit of a lag on the voice chat
Geoff: Hey guys I've got to go
now - I'll try and join you next week - Very impressive
Geoff has left
Michael: See you Geoff. Nice tom
meet you.
Vance at
MLI: You
can also type helpful information here.
Vance at
MLI: exactly
cc has joined
Vance at
MLI: This
is authentic, purely communicative
Michael: And welcome to cc
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Vance at
MLI: Congrats
Anne
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Vance at
MLI: http://mli.cjb.net
Michael: Good question Peter.
Guest169 has joined
Vance at
MLI: Are
material is on a web site
Vance at
MLI: http://www.netword.com/webheads
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vanessa has joined
Vance at
MLI: http://www.netword.com/teaching4webheads
vanessa: loaded now & can hear
you...
Anne has left
Michael: Can you turn up your
microphone volume?
Michael: Can you see it Vanessa?
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vanessa has left
Guest623 has joined
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Jason has joined
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Vance at
MLI: mailto:vstevens@emirates.net.ae
vanessa has joined
Jason: Hi everyone...Can't get a
word in edgeways here...I'm Geoff Jordan's sidekick here in Barcelona, Spain
Vance at
MLI: Hi
sidekick
cc: Hi to Jason
Vance at
MLI: This
here's the edgewise window
Michael: LOL
Felix: just a sec
Felix: someone at the door
Vance at
MLI: Felix,
Michael asked you to talk about all this
vanessa: back again... I had to
download another something for config & crashed
Michael: Jason?
Michael: What's for dessert?
Jason: Hi Michael...r u hungry?
Felix: talk about what?
Michael: No. But Peter's having
dinner.
Felix: uh???
cc: Do you usually have a
topic to focus the conversation?
Felix: What do you want me to
talk about MC?
Jason has left
Jason has joined
Michael: Yes Felix - why are you
still here?!
Vance at
MLI: What
did you mean by that Michael?
Michael: Why are you still a
Webhead?
Vance at
MLI: ah
...
Michael: What do you get from it?
Peter: I like the way the chat
and the voice work together
Michael: Its' great isn't it
Peter.
Peter: excellent
Michael: So what are you having
for dessert Peter?
Felix: did you hear me ppl?
Peter: lol
Michael: Yes we did Felix.
Vance at
MLI: Only
one person can talk at a time
Felix: I will type ok Jason...
Michael: It's like a quiz show -
first to the buzzer!
Vance at
MLI: Can't
hear Jason
Vance at
MLI: You
can write here if you like.
Felix: What I think it's
interesting about a voice chat like this is that you can learn the way ppl
speak, pronunce words
Michael: Obviously the noderator
could use the text chat to ask someone to stop talking and give someone else a
go.
Peter: right
Felix: and most important... is
to improve your speaking..
Vance at
MLI: If
he can get it
Peter: quite simply if someone
pressed the enter button like this
Felix: your fluence in English.
Michael: That's right Felix.
Peter: that could mean tis their
trun next
Jason: One of the interesting
things about non-verbal communication as a teacher in a "class" forum
is how to control the chat..and I think it's important to set some rules
Jason: Yes VAnce, I think
etiquette is very important
Michael: I agree jason. Especially
if you have a large group.
Peter: if people took the chat
box as their cue
Peter: that might be the signal
vanessa has left
Felix: Because in my personal opinion,
when we use a written chat.. We have time to think in a word or a sentence to
type in BUT when you are speaking you have to be fast.. you have to THINK
fast.. So if you are good or partially good at speaking, your writting
Vance at
MLI: What
can we do in a what context?
Felix: skills will show up
Vance at
MLI: I
could hear Jason just now but I can't hear Peter
Peter: sorry vance
Felix: Am I "talking"
too much?
Vance at
MLI: Too
little LOL
Felix: LOL
Vance at
MLI: Naw,
as you know I keep the log. We'll look it over later
Peter: was saying the voice chat
allows authentic dialogue between speakers in different countries
Jason: Do you think though this
is a good medium for small groups or one - to - one only...don't you think that
it'll get a bit out of hand with a large group?
Clau has left
Peter: something we cannot
provide in the classroom
Felix: I will have to go now...
Does anyone have any question to me? LOL
Jason: Nice to be here and chat
with you all too :-)
Peter: no but Felix thanks for
coming
Michael: If the Whiteboard thing
happens let me know....
Michael: Yes - thanks Felix.
Felix has left
Michael: Made in Japan!
Michael: Jason is Geof's sidekick.
Vance at
MLI: Ah,
he's left the edgewise area
Michael: 623 - would you like to
say who you are?
Vance at
MLI: I'm
Vance Stevens, http://www.netword.com/vancestevens
Jason: BTW... a little plug for
myself here. If anyone is interested in reading my dissertation it's here: http://www.geocities.com/jefirestone/master.html
Vance at
MLI: way
cool
Vance in
lab has
left
Vance at
MLI: We
have Peter, cc, Guest623, Jason (above)
cc: Good Michael, I love to
knowthe same thing
Vance at
MLI: And
cc? Who are you?
cc: Hmmm.. YOu want my life
story? :-)
cc: I am Chin-chi Chao from
Indiana University
Vance at
MLI: welcome
Jason: I actually think that as
"lurking" is an accepted etiquette for behaviour on discussion lists
then maybe we should also accept / expect lurking (no negative connotations
attached) in voice chat
cc: I am teaching a CALL
teacher education course and also doing my dissertation on online learning
communities.
Vance at
MLI: Guest623
is Hanim in New York. He's listening in the voice chat and chatting in the
homestead chat
Vance at
MLI: Hanim
are you here?
Guest623: Yes, I am here.
Vance at
MLI: OK,
welcome
Michael: Can you hear us Hanim?
Guest623: Yes, I'm listening
Vance at
MLI: Yes,
he can. He's been commenting in the homestead chat on the voice chat
Michael: Motivating, authentic,
purely communicative
Peter: michaal sadly i missed
that whole contribution
Vance at
MLI: I'm
glad we started this conversation this week
Vance at
MLI: I
think if we come back next week at the actual conference, we could have an
interesting discussion
Jason: I can't hear u at all
Michael
Guest623: I'm not a he. I'm a she.
I agree with the authenticity but technologically, the voice is not clear all
of the time, it may be difficult to understand.
Peter: sadly I seem to have lost
the audio now
Peter: and I can't catch
Micheal's comments
Michael: Sorry to hear that jason.
Seems like I'm fading. Butn then Vance CAn hear me!
Michael: Jason and Peter - Can you
hear Vance?
Jason: I've lost Vance
now...evryone was loud n clear b4
Michael: We seem to be having
problems.
Peter: yeah starting to crack up
now
Peter: a shame!
Vance at
MLI: yea,
y not?
Michael: I thnk it's fine to use
abbreviations like b4. It's another form of the language...
Vance at
MLI: ok
by me
Michael: ...and I think an
increasingly valid one.
Michael: They need to know when to
use the various forms though.
Michael: Like formal/informal;
register, etc
Guest623: encouraged what?
Michael: Did you say encourage the
flow?
Jason: i think it's gr8 actually
:-)
Michael: LOL
Michael: I haven't seen that one
b4!
Michael: I have to go too.
Guest623: No
Jason: Vance said he had to go
10 minutes ago ...will he ever leave?
Michael: Vance is a slow
leave-taker!
Guest623: He is still talking
Michael: That's one of the nice
things about him!
Peter: lol
Michael: LOL as well.]
Guest623: Whal does LOL mean?
Vance at
MLI: be
bringing out the hook again in a minute
Vance at
MLI: laugh
out loud
Vance at
MLI: and
then there's ROFL
Guest623: What does that mean?
Vance at
MLI: http://www.netword.com/webheads
Michael: rolls about the floor
laughing!
Vance at
MLI: 11:30
or Noon every Sunday GMT
Guest623: Do you meet at netword or
the Palace?
Michael: Jason I hope you can hear
what about to say......
Jason: all's quiet on the
western front
Michael: Did anyone hear me apart
from Vance?
Jason: sorri Michael I
completely missed u
Guest623: I heard you Michael.
Michael: Peter?
Guest623: Did Vance finally leave?
Peter: yup got you michale
Michael: I'm just curious to know
about the technology.
Michael: Great - no gr8!
Jason: Vance... yeah right
you're going...
Vance at
MLI: yada
yada
Guest623: Who's honey.
Jason: can now
Michael: Night and good day to you
all!
cc: Thank you!!
Peter: thanks everybody
Vance at
MLI: Goodnight
/ bye / afternoon, and thanks very much for coming
Michael: Thanls Jason.
Guest400 has joined
Guest623: It's good morning in New
York. Time for breakfast.
Michael: I'm outta here!
Michael has left
cc has left
Peter: good night to you all and
thanks, it's been an interesting experience
Peter has left
Guest623: Good question Jason
Jason: thanks
Jason: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.................
Vance at
MLI: http://members.tripod.com/vstevens/efi/software.htm#doit
Jason: thank u
Entries from
the guestbook at http://www.homestead.com/vstevens/
So that readers of this chat can now
more about its participants, I have reproduced here messages left in the
Homestead chat page guestbook after the practice.
Claudette Hepburn, Wednesday, 4/26/00, 6:57 AM
Missed the rehearsal conference today, but enjoyed the voice chat. Will be present next Wednesday. Interested to know how I can use any aspect of the Net to get my French students to learn English in a lively way.
From: France
E-mail: hepburnclau@wanadoo.fr
Peter Williams, Wednesday, 4/26/00, 6:18 AM
From: Tokyo Japan
E-mail: hdep65@yahoo.com
Vanessa Vaile, Wednesday, 4/26/00, 5:49 AM
From: new mexico
Web Site: http://philo.ucdavis.edu/~vanessa/
E-mail: vcrary@uswest.net
Anne Fox, Wednesday, 4/26/00, 3:09 AM
We have just opened a fairly high tech self access language learning centre and are hoping to extend this soon to distance delivery. Any info or experience of how you can communicate effectively with EFL students on line very much welcome.
Half French and British, living in Denmark
Web Site: Grenaa Handelsskole http://www.ghs.dk/
E-mail: af@ghs.dk
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